Smoking Ban Being Discussed

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In public places, no smoking at all.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I think the sticking point here is what one considers a "public place."

I say if a business is open to the general public or is used by the general public, then it is a public place, even if privately owned.

It is the duty of that public place to provide clean air to all those who enter. I see the standard of healthy air routinely ignored. This should be considered no different than a health code violation.

<font color="#000002" size="1">[ June 16, 2004 10:59 AM: Message edited by: reason ]</font>

I think it's funny we have had the smoking ban here in Florida for a year now and nobody gives a shit. Smokers and non-smokers alike, nobody cares. You want to smoke, do it outside before or after you dine. Not a serious issue. But then I guess you backwater villagers in Cincinnati do need something to discuss... [img]tongue.gif[/img]

I used to smoke my soliders when they fucked up. Somewhere around the 500th flutter kick they started to learn that if they did things right, it didn't hurt.

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BTW Gae...did you hear Reece porclaim Father's day a crime free day? UMMMM what about the 364 days of the year?

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Hmm... I guess a Council proclaimation will stop the killin, huh?

What nonsense.

Who wants to put money on the bad guys not listening to Reece?

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Originally posted by Sea Gull:
I think it's funny we have had the smoking ban here in Florida for a year now and nobody gives a shit. Smokers and non-smokers alike, nobody cares. You want to smoke, do it outside before or after you dine. Not a serious issue. But then I guess you backwater villagers in Cincinnati do need something to discuss... [img]tongue.gif[/img]

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Actually GL you may be wrong on that point. When I visited my Mom in March...the ban is ALL I heard about. Tha ban is just for resturants. If 10% or more of your revenue is food, then you have to ban smoking inside the bulding. You can go outside, but some are even bitching about that. The restaurant owners, they know, are hurting. They are loosing business to other places on the beach who may have outside seating. They are loosing the customers who just want to have a few drinks at their bar to places that are just bars and you can smoke.

My Mom found a new hangout. Their old "haunts" have lost a good customer. In her 79 years this woman never ate pizza....hated it. Well, next to a pizza resturant is a bar. Both owned by some person. You can order pizza at the bar. But since the revenue goes to the resturant, you can smoke. My mother now loves pizza.

I will also say my Mother has become an inconsiderate smoker. Before the ban, if smoke bothered someone, she would move to another spot or put her cig. out. NOW, if she is allowed to smoke and it bothers someone....her theory is tough-shit, there are places non-smokers can go.

As for the ban in Cincinnati. I'm a smoker, I can adjust. Even though, I do think our climate doesn't work well with accomondating smokers outside. I will say, I usually don't frequent places in the Cincinnati limits, and probably will not bend over backwards to do so, if a ban in put in place.(ie Main Street).

I agree with Lew's arguements. I think it should be left up to the owner of restuarant to decide if they want to be smoke free. If the theory is true that it will be better/more popular in the long run, then most restuarants will do it voluntarily.

I also agree with Gae, that the city baboons should be concentrating on more important things here. The focus is suppose to be "how to revitalize downtown". So, instead of working on the crime rates, and the one a day shootings, which I'm sure is alienating some downtown patrons, you are going to alienate another sector of the public, which is smokers. [img]confused.gif[/img]

BTW Gae...did you hear Reece porclaim Father's day a crime free day? UMMMM what about the 364 days of the year?

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Actually GL you may be wrong on that point

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">WHAT?! How dare you! I am indignant! When have I EVER in the 5 years you have known me EVER been wrong?! The nerve... [img]graemlins/whatever.gif[/img]

Maybe they got more upset about it over on the east coast, here it was no biggie. [img]cool.gif[/img]

After listening to trav and gae, once again I've decided against the smoking ban. We need to keep governments heavy hand out of private business and ignore the rules that get in the way of capitalism.

With that said:

I'm going to buy the empty house across the street from trav and gae.

I'm going to turn this house into a rave palace, complete with rap and hip hop theme, flashing strobe lights on the exterior and party lights that dance with the loud music that's played on the loudspeakers fashioned to the outside of the house, which will be painted all black with a huge billboard on top.

The entire yard will be paved over with asphalt to give room for parking and a dumpster. The dumpster will go in front as there is not easy access to the back. Since I will ignore fire codes, I will pack the place to the gills, so offstreet parking in front of Gae's and trav's house will be necessary for my new business.

My business will never close, and it will serve alcohol 24-7. I will not monitor my patrons inside and outside my business because their behavior is not my concern, and neither is their health.

I will serve to the underaged, whatever I please and whenever I please. I will serve known alcholics and the grossly inebriated whenever and whatever I what in any quantity they can afford.

I will build a party deck on the porch roof, where hip hop bands will play and my patrons can dance, shout and scream, 24/7.

I will not abide by any fire codes, health codes, or any laws that infringe on my freedom to engage in capitalism or the freedom of my patrons to do what makes them happy.

If there's room for 1,000 and I can fit 2,000 in my building, I will do so. If my patrons want an indoor fireworks show despite the flamability of the building, I will do so. If they want to get so stinkin' drunk that they barf all over gae and trav's yard, I will do so.

I may also serve food, but of course, preparation and service will be done on my own terms, not by any government's heavy handed regulation. To improve margin, I will go to Meat for Less on Chase and buy the old stuff.

It's great that gae and trav are so against government regulation and are pro capitalism.

It is for that reason they deserve my business next door to them. And they can have a place to smoke.

<font color="#000002" size="1">[ June 17, 2004 11:06 AM: Message edited by: reason ]</font>

I'm wondering if owners would see a drop in fire insuance rates since smoking would not be allowed?

Probably not, but it's just a thought.

Anywho, I still beleive that the difference between public and private will be an area that has to be defined for this to happen.

If they allow private clubs to have smoking, then all these places need to do is print up memberships and recoup the cost by charging a nominal fee to applying members.

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It's great that gae and trav are so against government regulation and are pro capitalism.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">That was pretty funny, reason. Missed the mark completely, but pretty funny.

I'm not against government regulation. I against being forced to live in a nanny state where only the government can decide what's right for me.

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Originally posted by gae:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">It's great that gae and trav are so against government regulation and are pro capitalism.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">That was pretty funny, reason. Missed the mark completely, but pretty funny.

I'm not against government regulation. I against being forced to live in a nanny state where only the government can decide what's right for me.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">On the contrary, it was right on the mark.

A smoking ban is no different than any of those other regulations.